http://forums.nedsferatu.com/tags/european-501s You can find us in da tub... en-US Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:59:19 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://forums.nedsferatu.com/search.php http://forums.nedsferatu.com/topic/14oz-denim#post-64 Mon, 09 Feb 2009 08:20:56 +0000 StevenXX 64@http://forums.nedsferatu.com/ <p>Perhaps my biggest disappointment of the 501XX shrink-to-fit line is that the indigo color is 12.5oz denim and black is only 11.5oz denim. These are the most iconic pants in the world, so the Levi Strauss Company should be ashamed for using only mid-weight denim. I would say from about 1966- through the end of American production, 501XX jeans used 14 to 14.75 or possibly 15oz denim. When production shifted to third world countries &amp; Antarctica, not only did Levis Strauss save mightily on wages, but also saves on production costs. One of the ways Levis saved on production cost was to use lighter weight denim. If you want heavier weight 501's, I suggest that you visit jeans-direct.co.uk. This web site is in England. In Europe, offical Levis stockists do not sell shrink-to-fit jeans. Jeans-direct sells European 501 preshrunk jeans at the lowest prices in Europe. They sell preshrunk 501's in black-14oz, One Wash-14oz, Stonewash-14oz, Light Broken In-14oz, hard Beat-13.5oz and Old Bill-13oz. Jeans-direct is still selling the last of the true European Levis. European levis are what the American prewash 501's were like 10-20 years ago. Under the 'live unbutton' campaign, levis is standardizing all preshrunk 501's across the world, which are the same inferior preshrunk 501's that have been selling in the USA since early '04. The European preshrunk 501's are 12.5 to 14oz. denim. The 'live unbuttoned' 501 preshrunks usually range from 11 to 12.5oz denim. If you desire 14oz denim 501's, you now know where to get 'em. </p>